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Friday, September 28, 2012

Friday walkabout

Not having a particular theme in mind for today's post, I just wandered around the web picking up what caught my attention.  Yesterday's theme of tactical frivolity is still in mind, but don't have a plan -- yet.

At Fuffermutter there's cartoonist Mitra Farmand. The cartoon below is one of hers.

image: cartoon by Mitra Farmand, "Charlotte's Web"

Clay Bennett was found hanging out on the web. His site is nicely organized; here's one of his cartoons:

image: cartoon by Clay Bennett, "Ford CFO"


Remembering Kevin Kallaugher's (KAL) site, I took a look at his portfolio and found this

image: cartoon by KAL about the stock market


Brian Crane draws Pickles for the Washington Post. Here he is hard at work.

image: cartoonist Brian Crane hard at work


I like Brian's style of work, think I'll give it a try.


-- Marge



Thursday, September 27, 2012

Tactical frivolity

Tired of all the seriousness I've posted lately, I decided to post some frivolity.  First stop was a Google search on frivolity where I found a Wikipedia entry on "tactical frivolity." Sounded interesting.  It is.

One of the references is an article in the Guardian, titled "Carnivalistas slink in with a pink revolution" and written in 2000.  Here's how the article begins --
The idea was sound. Fill up a lorry with 13 women dressed as pink fairies and drive it to Prague for the World Bank meetings to lend glamour to the demonstrations and defuse the confrontations between riot police, anarchists, unions and environmentalists with "tactical frivolity" - carnival, art, song and dance.
The article goes on to detail a comedy of errors surrounding execution of the plan.

Looking for an image to illustrate tactical frivolity, I came across a blog called the South Florida Lawyers with the byline "a law blog done with jealousy, love, snark, humor and civility."  It had this picture --
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The South Florida Lawyers' blog also had this video of Alan Alda in a clip from "Crimes and Misdemeanors," uploaded by TheDukeofMadness.
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Two things -- lawyers can be very funny and I may be "cursed" with seriousness.

Oh, and "If it bends, it's funny. If it breaks, it's not funny!"

-- Marge

Monday, September 24, 2012

The WELL: story of an online community reborn

"WELL Community Members Create For-Profit Corporation in Bid to Buy The WELL," an article by Wagner James Au, talks about user/members of the Well, who bought their community in order to keep it alive. In an essay Wagner wrote for Internet Evolution -- What Went Wrong With the WELL & Why It Matters -- he explains:
Once called "the world's most influential online community" on the cover of Wired magazine, at its peak the WELL counted users like the sci-fi authors Neal Stephenson and Cory Doctorow; visionaries like the musician Brian Eno and the virtual community expert Howard Rheingold; EFF founders John Perry Barlow, John Gilmore, and Mitch Kapor; and even rock stars like Billy Idol and David Crosby. The quality of its users' posts -- smart, funny, creative, and provocative on every imaginable subject -- inspired countless Internet entrepreneurs and thinkers.
The previous owner of the WELL, Salon Media Group, publishes the site Salon. To know more about Salon check this Wikipedia entry.

The WELL's site is somewhat barebones. You must join and pay for a membership to view conversations, as well as participate. According to the Conferences page "Conferences are the heart of The WELL:"
Conferences are where we gather - the heart of The WELL. A vibrant community emerges from thousands of conversations in hundreds of ongoing forums traditionally known as conferences.
spot illustration of a school of fish
Each gathering place has a distinct flavor. A few are open to the world. Most are open to all members. Some limit access to a private group. Others are not listed here by request of their founders. Participants check in frequently at one, five or more conferences, to offer expertise, dissect one another's best ideas and indulge in gossip, mutual aid and general banter.
There are two conferences open to non-members -- Inkwell.vue and Deadsongs.vue -- that you can participate in by emailing the conference hosts.  Click on the "How to participate" link at each for details.

Looks like these conferences might actually be fun.

-- Marge


Thursday, September 20, 2012

Art of World of Warcraft

After starting, then abandoning, a post about all the products Google now offers that began to look like an advertisement for them; and then trying to figure out why my machine gets lost in the ozone when I leave it for 5-10 minutes (I think it's one of Microsoft's September updates), I've decided to find something more fun to post about today.

About two months ago I started playing World of Warcraft (be very, very careful -- it is indeed addictive).  Besides its intriguing quests and multitude of environments, it has some of the most beautiful artwork I've seen.  Take a look at this trailer for the new expansion pack, Mists of Pandaria:
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In WoW, as in many MMORGs (Massive Multi-player Online Roleplay Games), there are races, mobs (aka creatures), and non-player characters (NPCs) that advance the storyline.  The members of each race have a dance that can be initiated by the player.  The following video, uploaded by ShadowRoxas87, shows the origins of these dances. I'm guessing that this is the uploader's version of history, but it's amusing just the same.
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Here's another one of the dances from Patricia Rosa that was filmed in game:
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And here's a video I found that is just too funny.  It was uploaded by thesolekeep, and is an ad for Mountain Dew.
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OK, OK, back to work.

-- Marge


Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Climate and extreme weather and flight delays

This is the third day of high winds in Anchorage and I don't remember when we had winds that lasted this long.  And we're in for more, according to the Fairbanks Daily News - Miner, "A third windstorm takes aim for southcentral, Interior Alaska."  Thoughts turn to climate changes.

According to Wikipedia climate
...encompasses the statistics of temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological elemental measurements in a given region over long periods. Climate can be contrasted to weather, which is the present condition of these elements and their variations over shorter periods.
A region's climate is generated by the climate system, which has five components: atmosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, land surface, and biosphere.
Whew!  What a lot of science. What a lot of words.

Today I'm offering links to sites that track Earth's climate changes and offer ways for you to participate; some links for getting extreme weather alerts on your cell phone (if you haven't gotten an app for such already); and a site that gives information on flight delays/cancellations.  A word to the wise -- step lightly around the predictions, no one knows the future.

U.K.'s The Guardian has a Climate Change page that offers up-to-date news from around the world.  A webfeed via rss is available.  For measures proposed and being made to find ways that work to help the environment, take a look at Environmental Defense Fund's site. ScienceDaily offers Earth & Climate news, articles, videos, images, books and more.

If you're in the U.S. and want to speak up on the topic of clean energy, sign up at One Million Calls for Clean Energy.


This article was updated in May (2012) -- "Extreme-weather text alerts set to begin" -- by USA Today.  AccuWeather offers weather apps for most of the major operating systems/devices; they also have severe weather and climate change (also has breaking news about conditions) web pages.  Explore the site to find info on world conditions.

If you're planning to fly somewhere, FlightStats is a handy site.  They have mobile apps, too.

As for me, I'm staying home -- it just might be safer there.

-- Marge

Friday, September 14, 2012

A laugh on casual Friday

Casual Friday is here for many of you, so how about a little humor with your day.

Cartoonist Doug Savage does chickens -- on sticky notes.
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image: cartoon by Doug Savage, "Causal Friday"
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Randy Glasbergen really understands the concept of casual.
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image: cartoon by Randy Glasbergen, "Customer Service Hotline"
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And what would Friday at the office be without Scott Adams' Dilbert?
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image: cartoon by Scott Adams (Dilbert) about casual Friday policy
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-- Marge

Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Whether to protest or not to protest

This morning I received a request to sign a petition protesting HR347, passed in March 2012.  This is some of the text in the email:
Imagine an America in which the government can prevent protest in any public space it deems fit. Where wearing a dissenting shirt around an elected official could be construed as a felony. Where First-Amendment protections become privileges subjectively doled out by the state. Sadly, that America is pretty much here.
In March, Congress passed HR 347, a bill that limits Americans' ability to protest in public and on government grounds. Mainstream media didn't raise peep, but now there's finally some anger building. The bill, passed almost unanimously, makes it a federal offense punishable by up to ten years in prison to "knowingly" protest in the vicinity of the Secret Service -- that is anywhere the Secret Service "is or will be temporarily visiting."
Considering some of the crazy decisions government has been making in the last few years, I jumped on the band wagon -- signed and posted the following to my Facebook page [note: format altered]:
10 years in prison for peaceful protest, thanks to the "Anti-Protest Bill" HR 347 -- Let's change it
act.watchdog.net
You walk into a campaign event holding a dissenting sign. Or you wear a shirt critical of a senator in the airport she's passing through. Or you organize a peaceful protest at a government building. All of these could be deemed felonies by Congress's new "Anti-Protest Bill." Act now to amend it!
Then I started wondering -- if it was passed in March and no one said much, what's it really about then?
If anyone would speak up about it, it would be the ACLU.  Their one article, titled "How Big a Deal is H.R. 347, That “Criminalizing Protest” Bill?" by Gabe Rottman states
Recent days have seen significant concern about an unassuming bill with an unassuming name: the "Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011." The bill, H.R. 347, has been variously described as making the First Amendment illegal or criminalizing the Occupy protests.
The truth is more mundane, but the issues raised are still of major significance for the First Amendment.
It's important to note — contrary to some reports — that H.R. 347 doesn't create any new crimes, or directly apply to the Occupy protests. The bill slightly rewrites a short trespass law, originally passed in 1971 and amended a couple of times since, that covers areas subject to heightened Secret Service security measures.
Here's a copy of bill H.R. 347 (PDF format).

While looking around for info, I did find an interesting and relatively new site called the Inquisitr; this is from the about page:
The Inquisitr offers a constantly updated mix of the latest stories to hit the web, covering a diverse spectrum of topic areas including technology, news, sport, entertainment and offbeat stories.
Founded in May 2008...
The quote below is from an article, "President Obama Signs 'Anti-Protest' Bill H.R. 347"
Occupy DC protesters are calling the modifications an infringement on their First Amendment rights, because of the areas of D.C. that have been added to the protected areas portion of the act. Approximately 80 protesters organized a silent march to symbolize their Freedom of Speech being taken away–some even taped their mouths closed to visually show their feelings about the bill. The part of the Bill of Rights they are referring to is the following:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Here's a toon commemorating an Occupy Wall Street event from John Cole at the Times-Tribune:

I took the notice off my Facebook page. Now I'm wondering if the bill has set a precedent.


-- Marge


Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Online art magazines revisited

A while back I came across a reference to Juxtapoz magazine which describes itself as the "Online version of the leading monthly contemporary and underground art bible..."  Being of the curious sort, I surfed on over and took a look.  It has an interesting array of topics available -- Videos, Illustration, Erotica, Street Art, Tattoo, Graffiti, and Music -- to name some.  I'd show you some samples of what I found but the popup ads for vodka were too insistent to read any of the content.  Apparently the original Juxtapoz, which was started by a group of artists, has been "acquired" by Complex Media, an extensive network of vodka-dominated sites geared for 20-something males. Moving on....

There are many magazines related to art online.  For a list to use for exploring, try this link.  The ones that looked most useful to me are the following.

The Art Newspaper where you will find information on recent shows. One piece shown this year at the Sydney Biennale was an interactive one, described thus:
Philip Beesley’s “Sibyl”, 2012, is a magical multi-media installation which responds to visitors’ touch with flapping feathers, lighting bulbs, and inflating balloons. Inspired by the Greek concept of “hylozoism”, the belief that all matter has life, the work consists of a system of interconnected mechanisms recalling a human neural system
Artist Beesley explains his concept of hylozoism and it is demonstrated in the video below.  It seems to me most interesting that he is using his art as a precursor to architectural innovation.


Absolute Arts appears to be mostly a site for selling artwork, but there are some features useful to artists, as well.  (Face it: galleries are a necessary evil for the artist who would like to eat and have a warm place to live.  They take a large percentage of the sale price.)  Artist portfolios are hosted and the art patron/collector can find news on latest art trends.  Here's a piece by Cheryl Hrudka titled "5276 Self Portrait" (2012).

image:  painting by Cheryl Hrudka, "5276 Self Portrait"

Art News presents all kinds of information about art; the main categories are new, investigations, features, trends, profiles, market, looking at art, reviews, and books.  Here's the headline for one of the articles:
“We base our action on the moral approach,” says Diethard Leopold.
Under the leadership of its founder’s son, Vienna’s Leopold Museum is attempting to identify potential war loot in its collection 
 I'm closing with a quote that has been coming to mind a lot lately:
Research means going out into the unknown with the hope of finding something new to bring home. If you know in advance what you are going to do or even find there, then it is not research at all; then it is only a kind of honorable occupation. 
--Albert Szent-Gyorgyi

-- Marge


Monday, September 10, 2012

Wikipedia Takes America

While watching the movie "Troy," the one with Brad Pitt, last night I noticed an Egyptian influence in the architectural design of the temple to Apollo.  Wondering if this could be so, or it was the producer's idea, I began to research. This is some of what I found.

Troy was probably in modern-day Turkey, and that it was a cultural gateway between Greece and the Mid-East.  The period of Greek History to which this story refers is called the Greek Dark Ages, because little tangible evidence is available.

More importantly I found that there is a Wikipedia campaign this month "where participants compete to take photographs of as many local sights as possible for Wikipedia articles where they are needed."
Wikipedia Takes America is a campaign throughout September 2012 to organize Wikipedia Takes Your City photo scavenger hunts across the United States, to coincide with the international Wiki Loves Monuments architectural photography contest.
 The Wiki Loves Monuments page states:
In the U.S., the contest will focus on sites on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP), which have been organized on Wikipedia by state and county.
BTW, if you're looking for something else to do, this map of archaic Greece needs to be replaced with an SVG version.


-- Marge


Friday, September 07, 2012

Frenemy Friday

Lately conversations and thoughts have turned to friend-or-foe considerations.

Wikipedia points out that the term frenemy "can refer to either an enemy disguised as a friend or someone who's both a friend and a rival." The Urban Dictionary has 3 pages of definitions for frenemy.  The one that I like is
Someone who is both friend and enemy, a relationship that is both mutually beneficial or dependent while being competitive, fraught with risk and mistrust.
This cartoon, found at CSL CartoonStock, is by Kieran Meehan and is a good presentation of how female frenemies experience this phenomenon:
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image: cartoon by Kieran Meehan about frenemies
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In a business setting this cartoon also from CartoonStock by Bradford Veley brings up the issue of trust:
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image: cartoon by Bradford Veley about frenemies
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It seems to me that the best approach to dealing with a friend/enemy is to stand back, if you can, and view the situation as a game, much like the relationship between cartoon characters Tom and Jerry.

As Machiavelli said, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer."


--Marge


Tuesday, September 04, 2012

Motion Capture

Motion Capture, aka mocap, is a technology that transfers the real-time motion of actual people and objects to virtual counterparts.  When you see mocap versus someone's idea of how something moves it's a pleasure to behold.

One of my favorite movies and the "first photorealistic computer animated feature film" is Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.  A truly fine example of motion capture is James Cameron's "Avatar":
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There are many sites offering motion capture services and a variety of software and tools, as well as differing technologies.  To get an idea of the variety, take a look at METAmotion.  For more information, there's also the Motion Capture Society.

If you want to try motion capture yourself, one of the easiest ways is to use Microsoft's XBox Kinect.  Here's some sample output, using iPi Soft desktop motion capture software (30 day free trial, $295 for express version in 2012):
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This last video is long, but shows in detail the process for producing a photorealistic, mocap game.  The game being produced is "Beyond: Two Souls" by Quantic Dreams; the release date is estimated to be Jan-Mar, 2013.
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Small white balls are dancing in front of my eyes, LOL.

-- Marge


Friday, August 31, 2012

Taking a poke (or two) at the 2012 election

I know, I know, enough with the election stuff already. Maybe some pokes at the election issues will neutralize the vitriol a little.  Of course anything I say will be biased, because it's about a biased situation -- kinda like trying to defend your honor after being accused of lying:  "But, but it's the truth, I swear it..." Then again, I have my favored outcome, too.

When looking for cartoons about the 2012 election, I found collections at two long-established American publications and a publication founded in 1995.  Since I've found a number of cartoonists are featured on GoComics, here's some info about it:
GoComics is a website launched in 2005 by the digital entertainment provider Uclick. It was originally created as a distribution portal for comic strips on mobile phones, but in 2006, the site was redesigned and expanded to include online strips and cartoons. GoComics publishes editorial cartoons, mobile content and daily comics; thus its subtitle toon in daily.
A collection of 29 cartoons by a variety of cartoonists was found at the Washington Post in a slideshow under the heading or "The best cartoons on election 2012." One of the cartoons I like (but am unable to present here) is by Chan Lowe, so here's another of his from GoComics:
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image: cartoon by Chan Lowe about voter I.D. laws
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From a now unavailable collection of political cartoons at the New Yorker here's one by Frank Modell that pretty much describes the political thinking this year.
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image: political cartoon by Frank Modell about the hate vote
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This one's by John Cole, editorial cartoonist for the Times-Tribune:
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image: cartoon by John Cole "2012 election:  A new take on jobs"
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That's a wrap for today, Folks.

-- Marge


Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Checking out Sketchup

SketchUp, a program previously offered by Google but now run by Trimble, is used for 3D modeling and has a number of different types of products.  Follow the Wikipedia link above to get an idea of its capabilities.  The basic program is free; there is a Pro version available.  Look here for the program's hardware requirements.  A Google account is required for some of the functions described below.

Assuming that most of us will be trying/using the free version, that's what I downloaded and installed.  Not having given it a real try, I'm hesitant to make a judgment on its overall usefulness for modeling.  There are some nice features like a tape measure and a protractor.  It took me a while to figure out that I had to tab when creating a line to enter the line length.  Curious thing, no sphere is available as a primitive, you have to build one (tricky) or download one from the 3D Warehouse.

Speaking of the 3D Warehouse, it's the features available through Sketchup that I find more intriguing.

For an example there's Building Maker (accessed through an icon on the upper task bar).  Google describes it thus:
Building Maker is a 3D modeling tool for adding buildings to Google Earth. It's fun to use, and an easy way to get on the 3D map. Here's how it works:
  • Select a city from around the world.
  • Make a building with photos we provide.
  • Save your building and it will be reviewed.
  • See your 3D building in Google Earth!
And there's SketchUp Island, a blog where contests and challenges for SketchUp are featured.

You can preview your model in Google Earth by clicking the Google Earth icon, also in the upper task bar.  A word of warning -- I didn't have a place set so my model showed up in Boulder, Colorado; in fact, it always shows up in Boulder, Colorado. Hmmm....

An image of an area you find in Google Earth is available by clicking on the "Add more imagery..." icon in the upper task bar.  It can become the terrain for your model.

If you tire of trying to build your own model, you can download models built and uploaded by other users by clicking on the cardboard box with a down arrow next to the Google Earth icon.  Then you can adapt them (not all are adaptable).  Some require unlocking, some have the unlock function disabled. Upload your own finished model by using the cardboard box with the up arrow.

What I've listed here are just some of the features in SketchUp and I've only touched on how to use them.

Take a look for yourself -- it's free.

-- Marge


Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Gone fishin'

Researching the metaverse and Google/Trimble Sketchup, I went into overload and bailed for the day.  So...gone fishin', although I've never caught a fish big enough to keep.  I just like to get out and watch the sunlight dance on the water and listen to the trees rustle.

In the meantime you can play a game at National Geographic Kids.

Or you can listen to Bing Crosby and Louis Armstrong sing about it:
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Or you can take a moment for meditation:
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Gone fishin'...

-- Marge


Monday, August 27, 2012

Rainy Bluesy Monday

Here in Anchorage winter's moving in.  Yesterday the wind howled and rattled the trees and it rained most of the day.  In keeping with the mood I'm serving up some blues 'cause I like them.  My friend Shal, who sang with a band called Java, is my blues mama; she recommends artists and sends me links to their music.

Here are five for Monday, plus an irresistible cut from the movie "Blues Brothers":

Bernard Allison - "Chills and Thrills" (2008):
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Jonny Lang - "Lie to Me":
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Coco Montoya - "It's My Own Tears":
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Bonnie Raitt - "Love Me Like a Man" (live):
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Blues Brothers - Think (Aretha Franklin):
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Hmmmm, the sun just came out.

-- Marge


Friday, August 24, 2012

Trying-to-stay-awake Friday...

...need more coffee.

Ah, coffee, where would we be without it.  It has benefits, y'know.  Amanda Chan at The Huffington Post says:
But studies show that we may be benefitting [sic] from more than just the energy-boosting caffeine in coffee -- we might also be reaping its cancer-preventing and depression-lowering effects, just to name a couple.

A number of sites are dedicated to coffee or feature coffee humor pages.  Examples are CoffeeFair and ivman's blague.
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image: "No coffee No Workee" from the Coffey Haus
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Cartoonist Randy Glasbergen must like coffee a lot; from his coffee-humor pages there's this:
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image: cartoon by Randy Glasbergen
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Funny how you suddenly wake up at the end of the "it's my Friday" workday.


-- Marge



Monday, August 20, 2012

Documentary photography

This post was inspired by photographer J.J. Bentley, who posts regularly to Google+.

JJ's work reminds me of that by Dorothea Lange, Robert Frank, and Elliott Erwitt.  Many of Dorothea's most memorable photos come from work done during the Depression.  Robert Frank traveled across America taking photos; his major work, a book titled The Americans, is said to have redefined photography and documented "the tensions between the optimism of the 1950s and the realities of class and racial differences. (Wikipedia, Robert Frank article) "  Elliot Erwitt is one of my favorite photographers included in the exhibit, "The Family of Man" (which is also available in book form).  This exhibit was shown worldwide and drew crowds wherever it was shown according to MoMA's blog, Inside/Out.  Here is an Erwitt photo from The Family of Man exhibit that is featured in an article in the New York Times blog Lens:


All of these photographers work in a field called documentary photography.

JJ's work is augmented with interviews of his subjects and comments on what he sees.  He has a website that's pretty cryptic; but his posts to Google+ are far more illuminating:

The Worthy Xavier:

image: photo by J.J. Bently, "The Worthy Xavier"

The Unguarded:

image: photo by J.J. Bentley, "The Unguarded"

Leave It on the Ground:

image: photo by J.J. Bentley, "Leave it on the Ground"

To me it's the substance of documentary photography that makes it beautiful.

-- Marge

Friday, August 17, 2012

Cartoons for this moment: Anarchism

Anarchism is the trending topic at this hour (9:00A Alaska Daylight Time).  For this Friday post I'm offering cartoons on the topic.

As background:  In response to a Russian court handing two-year sentences to 3 members of the feminist rock band Pussy Riot for staging an anti-Kremlin protest in a church, thousands of people have expressed support.  Here, from the article "Petitions and pranks as world supports Russian female punk rock band" by Olzhas Auyezov and Andrea Burzynski for Reuters:
Inside Russia, many people were offended when the three women stormed the altar of Moscow's Christ the Saviour Cathedral in February wearing bright-colored masks and clothes to hold a "punk prayer" to get rid of President Vladimir Putin.

Sensitivity inside the overwhelmingly Orthodox Christian country is not shared overseas, however, where media coverage of the trial ahead of Friday's verdict has often cast the women as victims of an oppressive state led by an authoritarian leader.
Disclaimer:  While the topic is not funny for the members of the band and those protesting or members of the Orthodox Christian community, a little humor helps ease the tension and may illuminate in ways we didn't expect.

The 3 cartoons below are from Sidewalk Bubblegum, the Comics about Authority, Police, State Control category, and drawn by Clay Butler.
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image: cartoon by Clay Butler,"No rest for the wicked"
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image: cartoon by Clay Butler,"Celebrate the moments of your life"
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image: cartoon by Clay Butler,"Trouble in paradise"
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Yikes, another trend to chase -- BP stock is shooting up.

-- Marge

Thursday, August 16, 2012

Kinetic sculpture

Alexander Calder is probably best known for creating the first moving sculpture in modern times, dubbed mobile by Marcel Duchamp (a truly interesting character).  This example of Calder's work comes from the Park West Gallery blog; it shows one of his mobiles installed in the Guggenheim Museum.

image:  Calder's "Red Lily Pads" at the Guggenheim Museum
Alexander Calder:  "Red Lily Pads" (Nénuphars rouges), 1956.
Kinetic art/sculpture has come a long way since then.  Often artists work to make their installations as immersive as possible.

This first video shows several works installed in Atlanta.  It's one of the best videos I've seen on art with each artist telling what he/she had in mind when creating the work and talking about the viewers' responses.


This next video shows the world's largest kinetic art sculpture, installed in Singapore.  How it was created is quite different from those seen in Atlanta.  The technological level is very high.


Excuse me while I go collect the parts for my next piece.

-- Marge